SugarDaddy, SugarMommy?
This is what Gardner said in the November 2008 Locus Interview, and it makes me just insane with frustration:
“I was talking to Ellen Datlow the other day and telling her it's kind of absurd that the two best editors in the short fiction business are out of work. I said, 'We should really start a web magazine where you do the horror and fantasy and I do the science fiction.' Now we just need somebody with deep pockets to fund it. If somebody approached us, there's no doubt we would do it.
“I was talking to Ellen Datlow the other day and telling her it's kind of absurd that the two best editors in the short fiction business are out of work. I said, 'We should really start a web magazine where you do the horror and fantasy and I do the science fiction.' Now we just need somebody with deep pockets to fund it. If somebody approached us, there's no doubt we would do it.
I mean, yeah, sci fi did it for a while, but stopped long after it was clear there was no profit in it.
I do appreciate what Gardner says in his interview about the differences between sf and fantasy. It's a line few people care about these days, but one that has always seemed important to me.
However, it seems like he's ready to go back to more steady employment, if the opportunity arises.
I know: I'd love to see Ellen Datlow fully employed for a magazine that appreciated her talent, but the problem here is that there's no market for literary science fiction magazines any more. If there was, then Conde Nast and Time Warner would be punching each other in the back of the head to be the first to offer one. One of the first things that Hasbro did when it bought Wizards of the Coast was to shut down the WoC-published Amazing Stories, and you might remember that abortive revival five years ago. Sovereign Media shut down Science Fiction Age nearly nine years ago, when it was still barely profitable but before it became unprofitable. Tomorrow SF was a joke from the beginning, and Algis Budrys discovered exactly how many people were actually reading each issue when he tried to charge for online subscriptions. And then there's OMNI, which was a sugar daddy publication: Bob Guccione could afford to keep it going while Penthouse was making lots of money, but Bob decided to cut off the gravy train just before online porn pretty much killed his entire magazine empire.
Of course, a lot of this problem lies with the people who want to see more genre magazines. Dozois wants to be an editor again now that he's discovered the number of people who put up with him solely because they wanted to get published in Asimov's vastly exceeds the number of people who don't want to set him on fire on sight. In a way, he and a lot of other editors helped catalyze the current situation with genre magazines, where the only people bothering to buy them are those wanting to submit to the slush pile. (Even then, if the Cat Piss Men can get free copies or snag the submission address from the Web site, there's no reason to buy a copy at all.) Ten years ago, I kept pointing out that any of the magazines that wanted to stay alive were going to have to find new readers in a more aggressive fashion than sending out editors to conventions, and we can see exactly how many people bothered to listen to me.
At this point, I'm figuring that the genre magazine has had a good run, and now it's time to let it die with dignity and honor. Oh, sure, you'll always have some never-were like Gabe Chouinard who'll continue to announce new print and online venues that amazingly fall apart after the first issue. You'll always see some egomaniac who assumes that it's still 1988 and all you need is a stolen copy of Adobe GoLive and enough money to print one issue to start a magazine empire. The simple fact is that, outside of the idjits who still obsessively read Locus and Writer's Digest and Publisher's Weekly, nobody has any reason to care about the fate of the science fiction magazine, and they sure as hell aren't being given a reason. Well, they're being given the same reasons as they're being given reasons by Cat Piss Men as to why we need manned planetary exploration, and they're just as unconvincing and entitlement-driven. Until that changes, each magazine that ceases publication is just another death twitch on the periodical corpse.
(The problem here isn't that he and Ellen couldn't make it work, but I am desperately sick and tired of people making announcements of this sort, where "I could do all sorts of wonderful things if only I could find someone to finance them" is used in lieu of "I spent the last three weeks working on a business plan, and God help us all, it'll make a profit inside of a year." Ironically, because I'm no longer involved in it, I'm more scared for the future of the publishing industry right now than I ever have been. Considering the established publishers who are probably going to be stomped when, and not if, Borders dies this next year, any plans for new publishing projects over the next five years are going to require real business plans that can withstand a lot of investigation and derisory laughter. Putting out a call for a sugar daddy to finance a project of this sort, especially when the financial people who were previously in the best place to do so are now facing layoffs or bankruptcy, is barely a step above a group of kids announcing "Let's put on a show!" I really don't want to be a cynic, and I really hope that I'm proven wrong, but Dozois's whole suggestion is something that just simply isn't going to find financing without the words "trust fund", "lottery ticket," or "money laundering" these days, and the folks with access to all three can find venues with better returns in which to invest their wealth.)
And, uh--
Let's put on a show! ;D
But he probably knows it isn't going to find financing. He may've just been wishing out loud, just as I was.
Now, as far as putting on a show, what I want to know now is how all of the Chinese science fiction magazines are getting their funding. I'm hoping, but I don't have enough information to tell for sure, that they're financed by subscriptions due to the current Chinese fascination with space exploration. If I figured that anyone might actually give a damn, and any efforts to do so weren't choked out by some dweeb at SFWA who didn't get enough attention as a child, I'd see about finding out how these magazines are promoted to the general public and grafting some of those ideas on to American genre magazines. The fire and the enthusiasm are there, so now it's a matter of seeing if that fire can be used here, or if it's too late.
Reaching out to university... really need to do that, ground-up. It's on my list...
you SURE you don't want to be in charge of rounding up new readers for, say, a coalition of magazines? ;)
I'm sure. :-) At least for right now.
You know what would be cool, though? Cross-promoting content the way foxnews or cnn news or others do on their sites - "If you liked this story, you might also like (x), (y) and (z). At the end of your story in Strange Horizons, SH could list 3 stories like it. At the end of a story in Fantasy, they could list 3 like it. Get people to stay, not click off the site.
Maybe even toss on a learning algorithm: did you like this story? yes/no -- don't have to show it to anyone, because that sort of thing can turn very negative, but just to better tune connections.
That said, as an author and a publisher, I kind of selfishly like that the place to go after reading my piece on SH is my own weblink--generally GUD; I've noticed at least one direct sale from that. ;)
Keep them ideas coming! This is fun :D
(For the record, I suggested this in my old column in Tangent nearly 11 years ago, along with a drastic review of small press distribution issues. This was when Fine Print was first crumbling, and things haven't gotten any better with newsstand distribution since then.)
We sold the helloutta Archie comics.
Ahhhhh, the halcyon days of the late 90's . . .
I do sometimes wish GUD was more kid-friendly (I think it's great, 12+, but it does have, erm, adult situations, adult language, etc, etc, which, while it may be good for folks of that age range, isn't generally the sort of thing a school would sanction...)
A contest seems like a good idea, though, thanks!
I probably wouldn't want something that was broken up over more than 5 or 6 sources--I'd want someone to be able to reasonably collect those sources without having to obsess. I might even consider making that slice of GUD "free" to make it easier for folks coming from other sites/sources to collect.
Loose thoughts...
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Forex, where I teach, it is a daily battle to get them to read the textbooks and not just in my class but in the other classes as well. My peers report endless frustration with students who are not doing the assigned reading for discussions. And I know they are not reading the text in my class because their test performance shows as much.
The problem, in part, is apathy. It isn't just a genre problem. It is a problem period.
The other part of the problem, and I've made this point elsewhere, is that I frequently hand samples of what is published in the mags and webzines to people who are nominally interested in science fiction. Granted, they are video game players and media SF readers.
Result? They put it down after about a page and say, "Boring."
No one on the short story side of the house likes to hear that but it is a fact as well. Most of the short story consumers tend to be, well, other writers and writer aspirants.
Until you fix that problem, decline is going to be the headline of this story.
S. F. Murphy
On the Outer Marches